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Battery Sales Show Tesla Has a Long Way to Go

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patb2009
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Re: Chicken or egg
patb2009   5/17/2014 9:54:47 PM
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Charles is right, the Tesla goal is very ambitious, especially as selling for EVs..

 

However Charles may be wrong in the opportunity potential if the batteries begin to sellin the Hybrid market and the Solar PV energy storage market.  

 

the average american home could use 20 KWH in storage to go to Grid zero.

 

selling 20 KWH to that market is potentially enormous.

 

 

patb2009
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patb2009   5/17/2014 9:46:00 PM
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GTOl

 

Some of those free things the Government gives away are called

Libraries and Schools and Roads and clean air and water.

 

If you want less government, I suggest you spend a couple of months in Beijing,

maybe over the winter.

 

 

patb2009
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Re: Chicken or egg
patb2009   5/17/2014 9:45:02 PM
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GTOl

 

Some of those free things the Government gives away are called

Libraries and Schools and Roads and clean air and water.

 

If you want less government, I suggest you spend a couple of months in Beijing,

maybe over the winter.

 

 

Trenth
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Re: Chicken or egg
Trenth   5/16/2014 10:27:46 PM
Tesla HAS to grow by ten times or so in the next few years to make a dent in the car market, and it's on the exponential curve, so it's possible.





IC engines could not exist without massive gov subsides and protection from liability. 

The research and development that goes into car batteries will also help all portable devices.   Tesla has a market for the batteries even if it's not cars.  





The reason Panasonic has done so well in the market is thier batteries are the best for the price.  http://lygte-info.dk/review/batteries2012/Common18650Summary%20UK.html





How did this get to be about politics?

But here's my 2 cents on that: the founders were Locke Liberals who believed in the social contract and a democratic republic, so using liberal as and epitaph is weird.  Perhaps you have been confused because Obama and 80% of the democrats are Reagan/Burke conservative for the most part.  They believe in rule by the rich.  Obama and the dems want kinder gentler rule by the rich, but they have supported deregulation, privatization, monopolization, the insurance industry, lower taxes and protected bankers from prosecution. Obama's admin has pushed fracking and nuclear all over the world.  

 

 

 

 

 

Jerry dycus
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Re: Chicken or egg
Jerry dycus   5/16/2014 10:12:59 PM
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I agree Charles and the only way he can do it is by making the market. 

And he has shown very well he can make new markets.

Vs the others are failing because they are hoping for a market, not a good business strategy.

Only those who have a captive market like Tesla and SolarCity does that no one else will do will survive.

Soon GM will let LG go as will other car makers/markets leaving little for the rest.

Big gird is no market as they won't buy any, only using those paid with grants. And  Cal utilities bitched so much solar/wind were variable Cal is forcing them to add big batteries!!  That'll teach them  ;^p

Other than EV the only other market is home, building storage which SC is going gangbusters.

And just found a front end totaled Leaf EV down the street so soon I'll have a 150-200 mile range all composite  EV  for $4k in parts, my skill  ;^D

 

Bunter
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Re: Chicken or egg
Bunter   5/16/2014 3:21:45 PM
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Shrimper,

THank you for the encouraging "bet".

One should cautious of underestimating the reasoning of an opponent in these matters.

Just because the current offerings are ill reasoned does not indicate they lack the capacity to do better.  These are intelligent folks, but their positions are largely inline with the prevailing orthodoxy and that leads to less rigorous examination of ones positions.  We have the privilage (and I mean that seriously) of being challenged daily in what we believe and that sharpens us for the conflicts.

And indeed, I have found myself in agreement with both of the gents I have opposed today at different times.  They are not fools-we just disagree strongly on these issues.

Take care,

Dennis

shrimper53
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shrimper53   5/16/2014 1:31:25 PM
It being Preakness weekend........ my money's on you, Bunter.

There is no reasoning with liberals.  I think I read every anti-Republican, Bush, Reagan cliche in one or two posts.....  No use attempting to respond or rebut with logic or factual argument. 

My one observation to offer here (on the subject article, actually....lol) is that Tesla is really risking it all with, I guess one could call, "thinking outside the box".  Innovation and advancement in technology, etc. seem to go the fartherest (and fastest) when this happens.  Perhaps the base chemistries, etc. will further advance in the ensuing time-period of the gigafactory development, to further make the battery limitations less severe.

However, the reality at present is that without major governmental subsidies and other finanacial incentives. the old ICE will  remain where it is.... number one. 

Bunter
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Re: Chicken or egg
Bunter   5/16/2014 12:48:56 PM
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Hi CharlesM

Said might, not will. Can't keep up with the pace of this blog.

Never watch Fox ( assume that was what Faux is about).  They are all pathetic, fast food blah.

Not much of my knowledge there buddy, Pretty much just historical items with pretty obvious conclusions.

 I noticed you chose to go with an ad hominem approach rather than take the risk of actually addressing any particulars. Cool.  By all means do some research and see if the items I mentioned are hisorically accurate or not.  Then address them or don't.

It might be interesting which of us an outside observer would say was applying reasoning/logic and which was not.

Keep having fun.  ;^)

Dennis

CharlesM
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Re: Chicken or egg
CharlesM   5/16/2014 12:04:27 PM
Might cover some of your questions.

It doesn't. But that didn't take long for you to go full Tea Party. It must be nice to be so knowledgeable and understand all the problems of the world, their causes/effects, knowing who to blame and what the solutions are if only you were king.

People like you cannot be reasoned with. Enjoy your FauxNews.

Bunter
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Re: Chicken or egg
Bunter   5/16/2014 11:50:03 AM
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CharlesM

See my comments to Jerry below.

Might cover some of your questions.

TTFN

 

Dennis

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