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Kia Bares Its Soul EV in Chicago

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Charles Murray
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Re: Another Company making car for the goverment not consumer
Charles Murray   2/25/2014 6:05:01 PM
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Nadine, the Wall Street Journal did a story some time back about a man in Georgia who leased an electric car and ended up getting paid for it. He got a $7,500 federal rebate, as well as a state rebate. When he rolled it all together with the lease price, he got more money back then he paid out.

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NadineJ   2/22/2014 8:59:23 PM
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naperlou-I think the leasing strategy you mentioned is already underway here in California.  I saw an ad for leasing a Nissan Leaf for $199/month the other day.  That's an amazing price.

Charles Murray
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Charles Murray   2/14/2014 5:08:17 PM
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Another Tesla fire -- this time in Toronto. This one was not a battery fire.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101416608

LetoAtreidesII
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LetoAtreidesII   2/13/2014 8:39:11 AM
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Well Said Dnelson,  And let not forget interest on the extra mony you must take out or lost interest if you pay outright.  Even with the tax credits.  your differential is stil about 12K at 2.75% interest that is 357$ a yr extra before you even start digging into the 12K.

So your first 3500 miles of saving goes to cover interest alone.

Next insurance is higher on an EV because replacement cost is higher 2x so you loose another couple of hundred a yr, more if you are younger in added insurance costs (another 3000 miles)

So let see before you even start saving a penny even if you electric is free you have to go 6500 miles. 

dnelson1d
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dnelson1d   2/12/2014 3:10:57 PM
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I said the premium is $15-30K, and I stand by that.  In fact, you nicely illustrate my point: your Volt was $28K.  You can get a brand new Chevy Aveo/Cobalt or Ford Focus for $12-15K.  Your comparison to a luxury car like a BMW or Lexus is laughable - the true comparison is to a similar sized and name-plated car like the two I mentioned.  I'll take your estimate of 35MPG as roughly accurate.  If you drive 12K miles a year, you're only spending $1200/year on gas at $3.50/gallon.  So even if your electricity was free - which it obviously isn't - it will take you a long time to make up your up-front premium, and that's not even considering inflation, etc.  So, sorry, but that's actually the REALITY.

LetoAtreidesII
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Re: Another Company making car for the goverment not consumer
LetoAtreidesII   2/12/2014 1:56:05 PM
Many commentor on why EV's are good, but again the #'s do not prove out.  We now have a large # of EV to choose from thanks to goverment force and our money being wasted.

Yet, 1 truck line, and atleast 5 different Car lines each sold more than 10 Times the # of all the EV's combined in 2013.   So that make 6 vechile lines selling more than 60 times the # of ICE's than EV's.  Why because EV's are not what most people want. 

If the goal is really just to reduce oil usage than the money is far better spent improving eff of ICE as we have done for year the Ford F-150 weight reduction in this yrs model will save more oil than the yrs worth of EV fleet.

I fear we are approaching the old USSR model were the state told the manufactures what to build no matter what people actually wanted.

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GTOlover   2/12/2014 1:53:45 PM
No I am not jumping on the bandwagon. I was pointing out the design decisions of the Kia compared to the Tesla and how the media got worked up over the fires. I was simply observing if Kia thought sabout this in their battery design. You sir are trying to put extra meaning to my posts!

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Re: Another Company making car for the goverment not consumer
ChriSharek   2/12/2014 1:33:02 PM
When you compare the 2 tesla issues (no one injured and safely stopped and stepped out of the car) with the number of fires in an ICE, your statement has no merit. 

Applying one or two solitary incidents to an entire industry is the biggest mistake made by the media.  

Remember all those Volts that caught on fire?  Right . . . one car, one incident 7 days after the event, as a test car by the National Highway Transporation folks, and all Volts catch on fire the media reported.

Don't succomb to their ignorance - they're selling papers.  You're jumping on bandwagons.

Stuart21
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Stuart21   2/12/2014 1:31:13 PM
"This vehicle is only being made because of CA & other states' mandates."

 

'Bout bloody time the gov did it's job.

 

There will always be capitalists - as long as we look after the planet.

 

The converse, unfortunately, does not hold.

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