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Slideshow: Plug-Ins Roll at Detroit Auto Show

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William K.
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Re: Go fuel cells
William K.   2/19/2014 9:04:36 PM
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A hybrid that used a fuel cell as well as a battery could be a real winner, because the battery could provide for the higher acceleration needed on occasions, and so it could be closer to a present engine cranking battery in characteristics. That is, provide bursts of power and then recharge. So you could probably live with a battery range of two miles, and run on the gasoline fed fuel cell almost all of the time. If the fuel cell would outlast a battery by a large margin, then it could cost a bit more. So probably the big push ought to be for fuel cell development and stay with current batteries for the short bursts of power. 

So the real challenge will be to make a fuel cell that runs on gasoline, and is not horribly expensive.

Charles Murray
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Re: Go fuel cells
Charles Murray   2/19/2014 6:39:25 PM
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I definitely agree, William K. Despite claims that range is no longer an issue, I believe it is for most consumers. Most consumers use their cars for occasional longer trips -- driving the kids to college, taking a vacation, visiting distant relatives. That being the case, they need a separate car for longer drives, which makes the cost of the EV all the more important. Putting a huge battery in the car isn't a viable solution for many consumers, either, if the battery costs $45,000.

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Tesla Model S Test Drive Report
mr88cet   2/17/2014 1:04:27 PM
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I had an opportunity to test-drive a Tesla Model S over the weekend. 

"Holy freaking @#$%"!  Mind-blowing acceleration and cornering!  Pegged the needle on my yeehah-o-meter!

Then again, for $90K, it dang well better knock our socks off...

I'll wait for the allegedly $35K follow-up, allegedly in 2016.

far911
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Re: Go fuel cells
far911   2/7/2014 1:42:20 AM
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It is true u are absolutely right.

William K.
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Re: Go fuel cells
William K.   2/6/2014 7:03:56 PM
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NL, Range is always a problem and unlike ICE engined vehicles that can fill up anywhere, almost, and do it in just a very few minutes, an electric vehicle takes either an expensive and rare charging station or a long time. That is the sad reality and I don't see things changing in the near future. When my drive to work was only 4 miles that would have been fine, but at the job where the commute was about twelve miles it would have been a bit close to some limit. And trips to the airport would have been a real stretch.

Charles Murray
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Re: Go fuel cells
Charles Murray   2/6/2014 6:33:39 PM
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Excellent link, LetoAtreidesll. As you and Reliabilityguru and others have pointed out, government regulation plays a big role in this. And that regulation is going to grow. Many other states are following California's lead and adopting similar policies that are motivating carmakers to build electric vehicles. Auto companies are looking at the regulations, which take effect in four years, and wieghing the idea of paying zero-emission vehicle credits against the idea of building pure electric cars. In most cases, the pure electric car is winning out.

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Charles Murray   2/6/2014 6:26:38 PM
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I agree with you about the plug-in hybrid, LetoAtreidesll. For people who drive even occational distances beyond a hundred miles, it's far more sensible. After paying $20K, $30K or much more for a car, no one wants to have to rent a vehicle to take a longer trip.

LetoAtreidesII
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Re: Go fuel cells
LetoAtreidesII   2/6/2014 11:16:40 AM
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They are catering to govermental wishful thinking and public opionion.  All of these cars are a loss for the companies.  Even Tesla losses money on the cars but makes it on enviro credit, grants and gov largess.  Non believers read article from the LA times below not a right wing media outlet but the heart of the bleeding left.

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/may/05/business/la-fi-electric-cars-20130506

ie. even non tesla buyers are paying for tesla's.

Reliabilityguru
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Reliabilityguru   2/6/2014 10:47:53 AM
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All these EVs say to me that the auto makers are not catering to the US market anymore.

LetoAtreidesII
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Re: Go fuel cells
LetoAtreidesII   2/6/2014 9:34:53 AM
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Yes, All electric sounds good if you never go more than 50-60 miles round trip (need a little head room never run all the way down), or you have a alternate vechile for longer trips.

Fuel cells are good but I am partial to the Plug-In Hybrid it gives you the ability to not use gas for those normal short trips but when you do need to go the the beach or a longer trip you can go as far as you want with the gas backup.

All this said you will pay for your "greenness"  the payback is not their is most case compared to a standard ICE car (yes, some of you would save, but the average joe still will loose serious money vs an ICE)

 

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