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Slideshow: Chevy to Roll Out CNG-Capable Impala

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Rob Spiegel
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Cheap natural gas
Rob Spiegel   10/23/2013 9:55:33 AM
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Hey, Chuck, I would expect we would see even more of these vehicles given the prolonged low cost of natural gas. A lot of cities -- like here in Albuquerque -- run their city busses on natural gas. But how does a consumer get the fuel. I haven't seen any consumer natural gas pumps in my city.

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mrdon   10/23/2013 4:07:35 PM
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Rob,

Very good question regarding pumps for the CNG vehicles. I guess the natural gas pumps is currently being planned for the rollout of these fuel efficent vehicles. Where's Elon Musk when you need him.

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Charles Murray   10/23/2013 8:30:20 PM
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Yes, Rob, we will see a lot more of these vehicles, but the overall numbers will still be small. Navigant Research said earlier this year that there will be 35 million NG vehicles on roads worldwide by 2020. That sounds great, until you realize that there will be 1.5 billion vehicles on earth by that time. The total percentage will come to about 2%.

Charles Murray
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Charles Murray   10/23/2013 8:32:18 PM
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You're right, MrDon, the number of public stations is miniscule. Unfortunately, I don't think Elon would be inclined to help us there.

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GTOlover   10/24/2013 8:07:01 AM
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Charles, the question should be where is T. Boone Pickens? I believe he is a big advocate for natural gas transportation. Although I think he focuses of semi-trucks and heavy haulers.

One thought about CNG, how will the road taxation be adjusted as the number of CNG vehicles grow. The EV car is starting to worry politicians as the tax reciepts for gasoline is decreasing as the mpg increases. Is CNG road fuel already taxed?

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jhankwitz   10/24/2013 9:29:50 AM
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You're correct Rob on the natural gas pumps. I saw extensive use of natural gas busses as well as natural gas taxies (all Toyotas) in Japan over 10 years ago. In these situations, they could easily be fueled at their home bases, so didn't need fuel stations located all over the place. I would think independent natural gas fuel stations would be very expensive to create and operate.  Natural gas cars will likely take a long time, if ever, to get into the consumer marketplace.

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Rob Spiegel   10/24/2013 11:51:03 AM
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Good point, MrDon. I believe there would be wide acceptance of natural gas powered vehicles if the refilling stations were convenient. That may be a while off. there may not be enough time to set up the infrastructure before the CAFE standards go into affect, so this may not help automakers reach their mandated goal.

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H2 is a better option
By-Tor   10/24/2013 12:32:26 PM
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If you are going to have to build an infrastructure, why not make in based on hydrogen. That is the better option for long term usage. CNG can be converted to H2 and forget these cars.

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AnandY   10/24/2013 12:35:53 PM
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The Impala was quite a hit when it came out, at least among Chev lovers like me, and therefore I was very excited at the prospect of a new Impala model that runs on bio-fuel. However, the manufacturers could have done more on the natural gas coverage of they really want to be at the top of this field. The 150 miles roof limits it to more of a day to day town vehicle and not a great option for long distance rides.

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Charles Murray   10/24/2013 7:57:04 PM
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I agree, Rob. Infrastructure is key here. The nice thing about CNG vehicles is theyy're not waiting on science. The science is there, what remains is engineering and infrastructure.

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