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Slideshow: Smart EV Has No Doors or Windows

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naperlou
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Where's the glass?
naperlou   9/20/2013 9:07:10 AM
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Cap'n, good to have you back.  This is an interesting concept.  It is sort of silly, since it does rain sometimes.  I assume you could put something like the old side curtains on this car.  It would just take a couple of holes drilled in the body.  Then it would be like the old cars from the 1940s. 

By the way, how much does it weigh.

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GTOlover   9/20/2013 9:25:12 AM
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naperlou, they are still working on the 'Star Trek' force field to cover the openings. Or maybe it is the transparent aluminum formulae?

So is it possible to get a negative star ( -5 star) for side impact ratings?

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Re: Where's the glass?
Charles Murray   9/20/2013 6:23:54 PM
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Since that is the case, GTOlover, there's no chance that it would become a production vehicle, at least in this configuration. NHTSA takes a dim view of low crash ratings.

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Re: Where's the glass?
taimoortariq   9/20/2013 11:58:46 PM
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agreed, for a production you have to see the utility of a product. This car in its present state is lacking many basic things. What if it rains? Can the car be parked in a not so safe neigborhood? I guess these are the basics things that have to be fullfilled. Needs come first, and afterwards the wants.

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Re: Where's the glass?
Pubudu   9/23/2013 2:29:33 PM
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@ taimoortariq, Simply motorbikes does not have a roof, But thousand of bikes are on the road. 

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Re: Where's the glass?
Pubudu   9/23/2013 2:24:37 PM
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Charles this is like a smaller version of Mercedes new GLA Class which is is also comes from the Daimler.



Charles Murray
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Charles Murray   9/20/2013 6:21:25 PM
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That's a great question, naperlou, but I don't know the answer, since Daimler did not provide that information. I can tell you, however, that its cousin, the Smart ForTwo ED, has a curb weight of 1,808 lbs. This must weigh significantly less, since it has no doors or windows, and an open roof.

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Re: Where's the glass?
Pubudu   9/23/2013 2:19:37 PM
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Charles thanks for sharing this I feel that this will be a iconic design in the automobile industry case that this is the best match outline for the urban day today travel need. And also I like to have option for normal roof. 

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Nancy Golden   9/23/2013 11:21:05 AM
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Does anyone else see an oxymoron here? We have a sandrail which is essentially a dune buggy without the fiberglass molding. Our twenty year old daughter was driving it on our property out in the country with my husband in the passenger seat. He had to continually remind her that "This is not a video game!"

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GMStoffa   9/23/2013 11:30:10 AM
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Why target the young?  This is the perfect geriactric vehicle.  Old folks don't like to drive in bad weather, they only live in warm places like Florida, no doors to get in the way of their Jazy, cane  or walker.

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Charles Murray   9/23/2013 5:40:39 PM
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Good point, GMStoffa. I hadn't thought of the gated community types of applications. This is similar to the cars produced by GEM (Global Electric Motors).

http://www.polaris.com/en-us/gem-electric-car/Pages/Home.aspx

taimoortariq
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Concept Car
taimoortariq   9/20/2013 11:54:19 PM
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Pretty nice concept. Specially love the interior revolutionary design and few features. But as naperlu said, I find the concept of having no doors and no roof a bit silly. 

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NadineJ   9/21/2013 11:32:41 AM
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I think silliness is the point.  This is aimed at a younger audience.  Anecdotally, I've never seen anyone under 50 in a SmartCar.  San Francisco has thousands on the roads.

The open design, the long boards are all aimed at an under-30 consumer.  They don't need a vehicle to satisfy their every need.  But, just like an old Jeep, I'm sure you can get a soft roof and doors.

It's a modern-day dune buggy.  The design is fun, sleek and optimistic.  That's on-trend.  Awesome!

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Re: Concept Car
mrdon   9/21/2013 11:26:50 PM
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NadineJ,

I agree. This vehicle will definitely appeal to the under 30 car buyer. The esthetics of the vehicle are quite appealing and the skateboards mounted on top is definitely a social networking conversational piece for the energetic and adventurous riders this vehicle is targeted for. Just curious if a sleek design vehicle with roof top mounted skateboards would appeal to Tony Hawk. 

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Pubudu   9/23/2013 2:37:15 PM
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NadineJ, not necessarily, I feel that this car would be ideal for the matured crowd also. When Mercedes launched A class (Previous version) target audience was the younger crowd but it was equally moved through the matured crowd also. Easy handling was the main reason for that. 

 



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NadineJ   9/23/2013 5:18:42 PM
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I think we agree.  I'm saying that the mature crowd already loves SmartCars.  Now, there's something that's attractive for younger people.

mrdon
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Re: Concept Car
mrdon   9/23/2013 6:40:29 PM
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Pubudu,

Its possible the car could be moved to the mature crowd but the vehicle's form factor would need to change. I believe the open doors, for example, would not appeal to some mature drivers. 

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Charles Murray   9/23/2013 5:37:16 PM
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I agree, MrDon. The skateboards provide an unambiguous indication of what age group this is aimed at.

mrdon
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Re: Concept Car
mrdon   9/23/2013 6:36:32 PM
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Charles,

I assuming this concept vehicle is targeting the less than 30 car buyer but there are some 35 to 40yr olds who like to skateboard as well. Only the vehicle's designer knows the intended use for this sleek concept vehicle.

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Rob Spiegel   9/22/2013 4:22:21 PM
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Good point, Nadine. There is a bit of silliness here. Still, it's fun and it's good to see the imagination run wild. I wouldn't expect it would be a big seller.

Jennifer Campbell
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Jennifer Campbell   9/22/2013 8:06:04 PM
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.... especially not in Seatlle, Rob Spiegel!

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Rob Spiegel   10/1/2013 11:23:57 AM
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Good point, Jenn. In Seattle, this vehicle would only be road worthy a few days each year. Here in New Mexico, though, it would stand a chance.

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Tom-R   9/23/2013 10:24:47 AM
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Reminds me of the old street legal dune buggies. You could wash the interior with a hose. It was Fiberglas, vinyl, or waterproof; and had drains in the floor. The sidewall was higher though, but we only had a roll bar instead of the unibody this has. There was something daring about a buggy that made it more than just a convertible. Even in the city where you couldn't go off road. I expect it would sell. Just look at all the 3 wheeled bikes selling today. This is an open cockpit car for driving on days you could ride a motorcycle (or 3 wheeler), but without needing a special license or having to learn how to drive a new vehicle. The key will be keeping it simple so the price is more like a high end motorcycle. Like a buggy or bike, this won't be your only transport. It's just for fun, or should I say "for joy".

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Re: Concept Car
mrdon   9/21/2013 11:31:14 PM
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taimoortariq,

I agree. I guess the designer of this vehicle was projecting his vision of how a Dune Buggy or Jeep would look in the future. But with today's Jeep vehicles, doors and a roof are still provided to the car buyer.

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Rollover advantage
Chuck_IAG   9/23/2013 10:40:06 AM
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We're looking at an ingenious rollover solution here.  Should the car flip due to its bizarre design, no worries.  You just continue to ride along to your destination on the roof-mounted skateboards.  I find this perfectly in keeping with the "Smart" car's overall strategy- if you can convince the right folks that it's cool, it doesn't matter how ridiculous it looks or how stupid the overall concept might be. 

San Francisco is the perfect target market for a vehicle of this design, should Daimler choose to produce it.  I've long been convinced that China has developed a long-range "dumb" ray and is testing it on our West Coast (I live near LA).

Battar
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All you've ever wanted in a car, right?
Battar   9/23/2013 4:05:07 PM
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This is a concept car, and that is all it will ever be.

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Re: All you've ever wanted in a car, right?
NadineJ   9/23/2013 5:17:10 PM
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Honestly, it's the most sellable concept car I've seen in years.

The branding is already there!  FourJoy!!

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FOURJOY
bobjengr   9/23/2013 6:14:58 PM
For me the main theme is "someone's thinking".  The automotive engineers are willing to risk controversy by providing a concept car that grabs attention and strives to solve a problem.    We would be hard put in the southeast to use a vehicle such as this due to frequent rain showers and real issues with theft but I feel it's a great idea for a commuter car.  With our "regulation nation" I don't think it would ever win approval but a great concept at any rate.  Good information Charles. 

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lmolleda   9/24/2013 4:28:14 PM
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Reminded me of the VW safari. No roof, No doors. Great for aftermarket roofs... 

http://www.google.com/imgres?start=165&um=1&sa=N&biw=1315&bih=931&hl=en&tbm=isch&tbnid=Wp-PMsdLpwC05M:&imgrefurl=http://www.sunsetclassics.com/1973-74-vwthing-limo/&docid=4ggh-SDIaWmLUM&imgurl=http://www.sunsetclassics.com/1973-74-vwthing-limo/images/vwthing-acapulco-body.jpg&w=350&h=250&ei=LfRBUqS8DYr_qwGtsIDgCQ&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:69,s:100,i:211&iact=rc&page=8&tbnh=178&tbnw=240&ndsp=25&tx=96&ty=76

 

VW Safari, No roof, no doors

Charles Murray
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Charles Murray   9/24/2013 6:05:05 PM
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That's exactly what I thought of, imolleda (although I remember it by another name, the Volkswagen Thing). I remember going for a spin in one of those cars (whatever it was called) with the windshield lowered. It was not a comfortable experience.

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Re: FOURJOY
Ann R. Thryft   9/27/2013 11:35:44 AM
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I remember the VM Safari! That brings back old memories.

Charles Murray
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Charles Murray   10/1/2013 6:26:34 PM
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Same for me, Ann. A friend of mine had a VW Thing. One day he lowered the windshield and drove at 50 mph. I have to admit, having a 50-mph wind in my face was not comfortable.

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Re: FOURJOY
Ann R. Thryft   10/1/2013 7:55:54 PM
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Chuck, your story grounded my memories with a thud. You're right--we did put up with a lot of physical discomfort back then. I think I remember a friend driving the Safari on the beach with the windshield up--but no roof, no doors. Ah, youth!

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Charles Murray   10/2/2013 8:56:03 PM
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I guess we've been spoiled by the improvements in cars, Ann. I don't know how popular the old stickshift VW Bug would be today. Today's VW Beetles are a lot easier to drive.

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Ann R. Thryft   10/3/2013 10:49:56 AM
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I think you're right about that. I'm glad it was always my friends driving Beetles, not me.

Charles Murray
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Video
Charles Murray   9/24/2013 6:13:24 PM
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If you didn't notice it yet, the video is worth watching.

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Smart EV
lmolleda   9/25/2013 7:21:55 AM
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I saw at the NAIAS 2013 the version of the car with roof and doors in a metallic orange color and was very eye catching. Also I saw the design student's concept cars with ideas like the one presented here (some for snowboarders), others for other sports or things, as if they were designing a car for themselves or specific niches. This Smart EV No Doors or windows, looks as an unfinished Smart, but it's only and will remain as concept car or be consider with bikes or golf cars, it would not pass NHTS safety for general use. 

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Charles Murray   9/25/2013 7:04:21 PM
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I'm sure you're right, lmolleda. This car is extremely unlikely to reach production.

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Forget Rain
wbswenberg   9/27/2013 7:57:34 PM
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Worry about rocks, cigarettes, bottles & tires.  My time on a motorcycle is long over but I have been hit with a few small rocks.  One cigarette butt and another flew past my helmet.  Saw a semi truck tire bounding down the highway one morning.  Looked like it missed everyone.  My truck has taken two egg sized rocks to the windshield.  Oh I went through a hail storm - that stung!  Then there was the motorcyclist who followed my uncovered load of sand.  He passed after a couple of miles.  I could tell he was having problems.

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templar781   10/21/2013 10:01:03 PM
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Is there a negative score for the Side Impact test?

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