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Are Automakers' Managers Hurting Engineering?

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bobjengr
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HURTING ENGINEERS
bobjengr   11/17/2012 2:14:18 PM
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I retired from one of the "majors" in the appliance industry.  The company I worked for had component managers for: elements, gas-fired burners, platform structures, maintops, electronic controls, etc etc.  These engineers knew their components but it was up the to platform manager and program leaders to "mesh" these components into the proper package to provide a workable appliance.   All too often, that did not happen with any real ease.  Schedules were king and designs sometimes suffered due to unrealistic schedules.    There did not seem to be the "systems" approach to an overall assembly of components.  The products were safe but not very competitive with West European designs--at least when reliability was concerned.  It seems to me we are looking at a very similar problem with the American Auto industry.

 

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Re: Managers hurting engineering (Greed and corruption)
jsmith14   9/5/2012 5:45:59 AM
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Sad story to hear, especially our loved American cars were at the bottom of engineering. But I do agree of what was said that Japanese and other Asian cars have a better lay-out of engine parts and they are "user-friendly" and is manageable with do it yourself auto repair. Hope those other bmws, and chevys cope up and do some remodeling.

William K.
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Managers hurting engineering (Greed and corruption)
William K.   4/13/2012 9:54:14 PM
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The explanation for the increase in gas prices is probably similar to the explanation of why Dogbert,(evil HR director), in the Dilbert comic strip, explains why he does such evil things. The answer: "Because I can". Evil needs no additional motivation. YES, I certainly am being judgemental. 

The problem is not that "we are addicted to oil", the reason is that we are quite attached to the degree of personal freedom that we have available to us by reason of our high level of personal mobility. That is, we can jump in our car and go almost anywhere at almost any time. In huge sections of the developed world you can't do that. As Americans, we are indeed addicted to personal freedom. Of course, that does include the freedom to do things that some say is not good for us. 

Of course, on some rare occasions even engineers may make mistakes. That is what separates us from MBAs; they always make mistakes.

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Re: Are the managers hurting engineering?
Charles Murray   4/13/2012 6:35:01 PM
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I have to admit that I'm okay with profit and even a little bit of greed. I think where so many companies fall short is in their focus on the short term. Too many CEOs fear a quick exit, so they focus on the short term and ignore the long-term consequences. I don't understand why a bond of trust between consumer and automaker -- built over a long period of time -- should be deemed less profitable.

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Re: Failed free market
Rob Spiegel   4/3/2012 3:16:19 PM
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I guess you're right, Old Curmudgeon. Yet it does seem odd that the price of gasoline is moving at a different trajectory than the price of oil. By simple logic, at some point there would be some equalization.

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OLD_CURMUDGEON   4/2/2012 2:52:02 PM
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Rob:  I'm NOT a stock market maven myself.  That's what I pay a financial whiz kid to do it for me, BUT it is my undestanding that there ARE speculators that will (hedge a) "bet" on just about anything that one can dream up, including where a fly will land at the airport in Singapore.  So, it would seem to me that there also ARE speculators that can cause the price of gasoline & other direct petroleum distillates to fluctuate at will.

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Rob Spiegel   4/2/2012 1:58:17 PM
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I agree, Old Curmudgeon. I'm confused by the :speculation" agruement. I can understnad speculating on crude and thus driving up the price. But can you speculation as refined gasoline? The price of crude is not the problem. The price of crude has only gone up about 5%, while the price of gas has gone up nearly 30%. And that's in Europe as well, not just in North America.

OLD_CURMUDGEON
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Re: Failed free market
OLD_CURMUDGEON   4/2/2012 11:59:39 AM
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Rob:  And that's another reason why there is so much dissent in the discussion about crude prices vs. gasoline prices.  The price of crude for the past several months has hovered around the $105/bbl. figure, yet the price of gasoline continues to rise at a rate of at least a nickel a week, sometimes more.  There doesn't seem to be a coherent explanation for this; one could make an argument that this flies in the face of the "Law of Supply & Demand" of classic Economics 101.  It almost seems that it is more beholden to the Law of Expedient Political Rhetoric".

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Rob Spiegel   4/2/2012 10:22:13 AM
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I didn't realize that, Old Curmudgeon, Just over the weekend, oil went down again, now to $102, while gas prices rose again. I understand there is also speculation going on. 

OLD_CURMUDGEON
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OLD_CURMUDGEON   4/2/2012 8:03:09 AM
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Rob:  Supposedly the "reason" why gasoline is so highly priced currently is because they're in the midst of the winter to summer changeover mode @ the refineries, AND because there are plans in place to PERMANENTLY close at least one (or more) domestic refineries, including one on the East Coast (NJ or PA?) facility.

However, we've also heard the news reports, etal. in which it has been shown that the industry is EXPORTING domestically-produced gasoline to foreign depots.

Is this a contrivance?  Is it a conspiracy?  Is it collusion?  Who knows!  But, we're all paying the price, NO pun intended!

 

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