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$100k Fisker Karma 'Bricked' During Consumer Reports Test

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fmblodgett
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fmblodgett   3/13/2012 5:49:17 PM
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nice numbers BUT you should compare it to a corolla at $18,000 then the math falls apart.

If you  want EV's to look really, really good why not compare to a Lexus at $50,000

triplep38
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triplep38   3/13/2012 5:03:30 PM
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Thanks for the validation. The one sitting on the lot in my town has an MSRP of $48,000. If you take the $7,000 credit off, it becomes $41,000. I'll still take the $25,000 Jetta and my ROI will still be alot quicker that yours.

Bluestreak
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Bluestreak   3/13/2012 4:41:48 PM
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No problem!

allow me to validate your opinion:
  • 2012 Chevy Volt MSRP

  • STANDARD VEHICLE PRICE*: $39,145.00
  • TOTAL OPTIONS: $0.00
  • TOTAL VEHICLE & OPTIONS: $39,145.00
  • DESTINATION CHARGE: $850.00
  • TOTAL VEHICLE PRICE* : $39,995.00

So yes, the ACTUAL minimum, real-life buy it price for a 2012 Volt is actually $39,995, not $39,145

BTW, This car is on the lot in Yonkers NY, right now!

....and FYI, I purchased a 2102 Volt four weeks ago in the SF Bay area, fully loaded for not much more than the lowest "total vehicle price" in the US right now..

Please consider yourself pwned!

triplep38
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triplep38   3/13/2012 3:17:21 PM
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Get out and actually look at them on the lot. I challenge you to find one for that price.

Bluestreak
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Bluestreak   3/13/2012 3:12:55 PM
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Check your facts. The 2012 Volt MSRP is $39.145.

hydrogent
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hydrogent   3/13/2012 2:57:11 PM
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If a piece of information is garbage, why would anyone want to dignify it, or debase themselves and the forum, by repeating it?

triplep38
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triplep38   3/13/2012 2:44:30 PM
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I'm sure you love the EPA when they talk about climate change.

roybarton
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Re: $100 Fisker Karma EV
roybarton   3/13/2012 2:37:18 PM
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Fisker Automotive has drawn $193 million from a government loan. You dont even know what you're talking about. Also, bricked is a pejorative term with several meanings. Are you pissed because someone is serving the $100k sedan market? Guys, go back to your Occupy post & leave the reporting to the pros. Laters.

hydrogent
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hydrogent   3/13/2012 2:36:56 PM
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If the source you reference is stupid, how does that help the level of discourse?

rcwithlime
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This shold not be regneration as you see with VFD's
rcwithlime   3/13/2012 2:11:36 PM
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I understand your idea, (I will mention for others who donot know) where overhauling load causes motor to turn into a generator, thus ramping up the DC buss in the AC variable frequency drive.

Difference is that vehicles need to be able to coast, able to take your foot of the gas pedal and let engine braking help to slow you down. If an automatic, cannot place into park until vehicle comes to a stop, as tranny will not let the fork come into play until that point. Been that way for over 40 yrs. If standard, then engine braking is common occurance, as is seen when downshifting when coming to a stop.  

With EV's, they do use the regenerative energy (often referred to as energy used during braking) to recharge the batteries.

This being said, best guess is something went wrong with the transistor module responsible for regeneration, and did just as you said, it loaded up the DC buss and tripped out the electronics. One would think there would have been incorporated a simple way to reset. Or did they never plan on that happening?

Another issue that has been mentioned in other forums is the inability to jump start a new vehicle without damaging it's electronics. If this car has these problems now, what will happen when it needs to be jump started?

 

Either way, at this point I don't think the majority of us will have to worry about this issue, as these models are slightly out of our budget range.....

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