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Global Warming: Are the Skeptics Right?

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CharlesM
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Re: The subject was... ?
CharlesM   9/18/2013 3:34:10 PM
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Thank you for recognizing the point of the article, Thinking_J. I do believe that you're the only one who has made that observation.

Eureka! The actual point of the article was really only about how we should all get along, no matter how outspoken and dangerously wrong many non-climate scientists and engineers are.  How should we react to dangerously wrong news media that keep promoting the same unscientific propaganda over and over?

CharlesM
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Re: Emotional Responses to Scientific Skepticism
CharlesM   9/18/2013 3:20:10 PM
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danharres, can you clarify which side of this issue you are ascribing to the side of science and which to the side of anti-science zealotry? And what do you regard as constituting the "official doctrine" on this issue?

The Designist
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Re: Global warming
The Designist   9/18/2013 3:11:02 PM
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Would an atheist reduce his risk of a bad after life by believing in God? When you find that person, then you'll find the same person that buys your 0.5 number you pulled out of thin air.

Fred McGalliard
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What?
Fred McGalliard   9/18/2013 10:46:50 AM
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This reminds me of a zombie. It is dead, killed again and again, yet it keeps coming back to life. Is DN that much in need of resurecting such an old argument, without even bothering to refresh the paper? Just let the poor thing die why don't you?

And should anyone be bored enough to read this, we should recall that Gore is an interested novice in the GW. Not a trusted researcher.

Why don't we insist that this get no more play untill the seminal paper is itself re-upped with a more current set of prejudices and silly arguments to refute.

CharlesM
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Enough already with the deception
CharlesM   9/18/2013 9:51:52 AM
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There you go again destroying any remaining shred of journalistic credibility of Charles Murray, DesignNews, and UBM.  I'm going to keep flagging this every time it's spammed anew into my email box as this old discredited piece was again today.

For anyone who cares, please read a wider viewpoint: http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/09/17/climate_change_denial_speak_up_speak_out.html
 

 

danharres
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Emotional Responses to Scientific Skepticism
danharres   9/18/2013 9:33:36 AM
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Emotional responses, like those in these blog comments as well as from eminent experts like Al Gore, are nothing new.  In Galileo's time, the science was "settled" regarding the "fact" that the sun revolved around the Earth.  Based on improperly translated Bible passages, the Church was certain that this had to be the case.

Since virtually all universities at the time were funded by the Church, the scientists of the day, most of whom were university professors, knew that they needed to advocate for the official Church version of planetary movement to maintain their lucrative teaching positions.

Poor Galileo and a few other skeptics chose to report what they felt was the truth - the sun didn't actually revolve around the Earth and, in fact, the opposite appeared to be the case.  For this Galileo was sentenced to life in prison, which was subsequently reduced to house arrest for the remainder of his life.

Fortunately, we have evolved to the point where such drastic responses are no longer the case.  Today, the worst that skeptics of official doctrine have to endure is simply mocking and emotional responses.

William K.
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Re: All I hear is emotion
William K.   7/30/2013 7:17:25 PM
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Irishmuse, thanks for such an imfomed and rational evaluation, and thanks for repeating my thoughts so very well.

Emotional reations based on uneducated evaluation of uncertain data is often prone to not winding up being the best choice.

And I would add to your statements the fact that for many years prior, some of the loudest voices claiming that something must be done were the same folks screaming about how guilty we were for having a standard of living so much better than some other parts of the world. So one other thing is to consider carefully the source of all this noise and panic.

Charles Murray
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Re: The subject was... ?
Charles Murray   7/30/2013 6:49:33 PM
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Thank you for recognizing the point of the article, Thinking_J. I do believe that you're the only one who has made that observation.

Charles Murray
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Re: Wow active thread being revived
Charles Murray   7/30/2013 6:46:40 PM
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Yes, that is a record for us, GTOlover. It's especially interesting when you consider that the story was written 18 months ago today, and comments are still appearing. When it comes to global warming, there's no shortage of emotion.

Thinking_J
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The subject was... ?
Thinking_J   7/30/2013 5:53:58 PM
Despite the blog's title... I thought Charles final observation was the REAL subject.

"an opinion of distinguished scientists doesn't match our own, does it deserve scorn?"

Demonizing those with differing opinions.... is not good (no value is being added to the discussion or society).

Be passionate! but civil!....

 

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