The price (after a $7,500 federal tax credit) for the vehicles will be $49,900 for the 40kWh vehicle, $59,900 for the 60kWh vehicle, and $69,900 for the 85kWh. A performance version of the car, which accelerates from 0 to 60mph in 4.4 seconds, will be available for $79,900. Two other luxury versions will be available for $87,900 and $97,900.
A flat battery pack (bottom) enabled Tesla engineers to lower the center of gravity and save cabin space. (Source: Design News.)
Tesla's new batteries are far bigger than those appearing on other pure electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids. The Nissan Leaf, for example, employs a 24kWh battery, while the Chevy Volt uses 16kWh. The Prius PHV plug-in hybrid incorporates a battery of just 5.2kWh capacity. That would mean the Model S's largest battery offers about 16 times more energy than the Prius PHV battery.
Tesla's $10,000 price increment between battery sizes is also significant, because its suggests that the company is building and selling battery packs for lower than the costs often quoted by experts, or is taking a financial loss on the batteries. (Tesla representatives at NAIAS would not comment on battery prices.) The 20kWh difference between the two smaller batteries, for example, represents a $500/kWh price difference. Most automakers are currently estimating prices of almost twice that for lithium-ion battery packs. Toyota said last week that it still estimates its pack costs at more than $1,000 per kWh.
shell oil held a contest of highschool science teams to come up with a drivible car that could get the best milage, two teams designed and built cars that got more than 2000 mpg, one cylinder, bely drive hooked up to the axle. Our youth, self educated on the internet are way ahead of your 300 mpg car, but the petroleum lobbie oligopolie determines the price of gas, and what gars we drive. Plugincars.com tells it like it is, no electric car company has yet t payback the cost of engineering design and manufacture of its ev's, whe the sales are equated, electric cars are not new at all, from time to time they are tried, and each time the smaller scale experimentation leads them into higher magnitudes, where the scal change dissolves the economic models of small scale
JERRY DICUS google> plugincars.com, they keep track of sales only, not repairs and recalls. I have trouble understanding your comment about delusional, perhaos a little research on your part might make you the delusional person you claim I am when it comes to manufacturing and economic justification---sure---there are a lot of old ladies driving around in their pseudo-green cars, thinking they are saving money, they don't count too well, the 40,000 toyto prius about as small as a kia rio, with a short lifespan, will lose out comparing what it costs for the electric hybrid, vs the cost of a kia rio, wh9ch uses gas, both cars are entitled to one crash in the cars lifetime, and usually the same goes for the driver, should the contact a heavier gasoline powered vehicle, I watch the tiny helicopters at brookstone, powered by coalfired elictric plants,and listen to elons statement where he intends to build an electric air plane, and start a colony on mars, he did not say it exactly but pigs fly.
fat chance of that happening with an internet philanthropist/phycist/wizard, who losses billions of taxpayer money, a manufacturer is usually headed up with industrial engineers, me's, ee's materials engineers, etc, when we still had our factories, before free trade whereby slavery is shoved down our economy, the missing accrued taxation destroying our nation, while the slavers take the money and run, real auto manufacturers, who use auto-cad in real car factories. A petrochemical powered car is still a petrochemical powered car whether you you use gasoline, or electricity that comes from coal fired power plants. The commenters on this post are simply unaware of the variables, as exposed in their oneliners,. maybe a degree in business admin, or psychology, ha ha ha---phycist, making anything but trouble, that will be the day---whether its solar city, spacex, or tesla, this bankruptcy expert will be around so long as people continue to throw away their money on his imported goods, which he losses really big money year after, approaching a decade of continual loss. when will it end, solar, wind, barry soretoes decision to replace energy with has spent utold billions, and still gives us around 2 % of energy, which cost more than the petrochemical it uses to produce, when all variables are used in the equasion of economic justification. Sure their are applications for wind and solar, windmills have been filling water troughs for centuries for livestock drinking water, isolated lighting can be supplied with solar panels, or silicon, with a metal backing, and a glass cover to keep the silicon from the atmospheric conditions that still destroy the glass, just slower than silicon---barry and elon, engineers they are not, economic justification is too hard to spell for theives, much less calculate.
spending my money on gas for the cadillac DTS gets about 30 mpg on road trips, likely to survive any crash with the coalfired power plant powered electric pseudo-green cars. Oh Yeah the tesla, promised year after year, was also promised last year, I would guess production will be stalled pending another attempted election fraud, if our fag pres wins the election fraud, then its likely the american taxpayer will continue to give elon mush the cash that dissappears down the rabbit hole, oh yeah, How on earth can you create a million dollars in pending repairs to less than 2 thousand old teslas lithium batteries heat up expand, and the rapid tesla creeps along with its flashers on praying to not get rearended, the probable end of anyone in the tiny car, if you can call it that---since when is truth delusional ?
our information sources differ, but, even now Germany has to import their petroleum, WW2 where Italy, and Japan partnered also were without significant petroeum, where did they get the fuel and what kind of desil did they use ? its interesting to always have new perspectives
In the 70's I was involved in a DOE sponsered study of manufacturing anhydrous ethanole, from corn where desil was made with adding peanut oil. Hydrogen fuels are a very inteesting study, there are so many that have been used over the years, our current gasoline uses ethanole in its mixture because the compound burns at a higher temperature providing a cleaner and more powerful source of auto fuel, interesting Brazil uses ethanole solely for its autos as it make and grows what it consumes, which has provided it with a working sheild against the failure iof the free world as china uses free trade as a weapon to destroy the free worlds economic model requiring accrued taxation to support the infrastructure. a chinaman compared to the america worker makes 3.8 cents for every dollar we earn, as the marxist nation is going thrugh its modernization phase, in preparation to end the free world
after manufacturing gasoline from liquified coal serious scientific studies, considering th rel variables of scale, have predicted coal gas is cheaper than gas from petroleum when petroleum reaches 34 $ a barrel, only 21 gallons of a typical 44 gallon barrel of oil separates into gasoline, the other 23 barrels become components of hundrend i=of thousands of products, both coal and petroleum are petro chemicals, distilled they are similar in the coumpounds that can be made from them. The Cartel which operates our economy, largest oligopoly is the petroleum industry, where pricefixing in cost of automobile fuels, subject to oligopoly and price fixing laws goes un prosecuted by holder, because of obamas bizarre ideas include; electric cars, wind and solar power are americas future exposing his lack of experience or training in industrial aspects of the world, similar to other lawyers not disbarred, who agreed to free trade whoes slavery cost us 2/3rds of our factories, and shuttered most of our small family business economy that once provided america with more jobs than our population, the accrued taxation allowed us to lead and protect the free world where tyranny is now on the verge or taking over, as he weakens our military capabilities and continues to export our jobs.
Personally I have difficulty placing any value on the words liberal, conservative, etc etc used to describe all the individuals involved in government other than to describe criminal commercial gangs, that reside there, who enact hundreds of thousands of new laws across the city, county, state, federal, and agency realm---I do however see change on the horizon as we replace the current form of government, with objective management who use industrial science to manage our nations assets, while ridding our political arena of most current job descriptions currently in place by law, while ending the legal-medical-insurancefraud mafia, the prison society, while using information technology to identify deviant bahavious and treat it for the root cause, mostly physiological abnormalities--actually, disabling our academic caste system, and their idea of human opinions---replaced with data processing as a tool for making the best informed decisions
New coal fired power plants are virtually without emissions. Mercury control, by sorbent injection is being installed in the old power plants. the risk of mercury intake in fish is related to the age of the fish. The presence of mercury is a recent risk exposed by new instrumentation, and especially insidious because hg in its various phases escapes;esps, wet fgds, and other toxic emission scrubbers installed as our instrumentation reveals sources of toxicity. I would argue with your stastics on the dead and sickened by CFPP's, because the academic studies do not include all the variables, and were made with predisposing influences by the varius academic whores who sell them
Refined coal as another hydrogen based fuel supply, is a sound source, the refineries designed, using liquified coal are spectacular, and could be placed at the mine, perhaps some other president/DOE may well seek out this valuable resource, and the multitude of others abundent everywhere.
The problem rests in our political-science academic caste system vs industry, or the subjective opinion selling credentials under the insistence our human mind is capable of storing all the variables, anomolies, then rendering human opinions that are based on the variables. The end result is being played out as we watch americas manufacturing infrastructure, and small family goods and services suppliers replaced by slave goods outlets, with our; science, technology, jobs, and accrued taxation exported to the tyrannical trading partner/s, enacted into law by the Lawyers, judges, polioticians, paid to do so by the lobbies, who work for the slavers, resulting in a nation without the accrued taxation to maintain our infrastructure. Before free trade we made 55% of the worlds durable goods, a wealthy middle class society, now we are in the midst of change as our political realm are looting our treasury, before it is lost to the trading partners who use free trade as a weapon to shutter and/or steal our nations productive assets, while focusing on ending our military, while buiding their own---through their lobbies in our government---I used to work for a broad range of our manufacturing infrastructure whose laboratories supplied the world with its instrumentation, little remains of those days. I listen and read with disdain the political arena, who have coined the word globalization to explain away our lost infrastructure, as they move onto international citizenery, seeking a one world power gatting the trash made by slaves and sold to their protectorate by poverty stricken hirelings, evidenced by 80 % + of americas jobs pay near or below minimum wage---the waltons take more cash from our nations cash flow than 30 % of our work force---the nations largest employeer, whose avg employee wage has dropped from near 12,000 a year to 10,400 a year in the last 3 years.Watching a president who encourages increases in the price of gasoline, while shutting down offshore drilling permits for our nation while granting permits to russia, and china, in our waters, in his attempt to push his idea of energy sources we should be using, without an understanding of economics, or scientific reality. I watch our nations demise, and still have hope we will restore import taxation, equalizing the difference in chinas slaves who get paid 1 dollar for every 38 dollars americas employeers make,. just one element of the equasion as to why our factories and small family goods and services companies which once supplied our nation with more jobs than people. Its difficult to watch a senate and congress who turn a blind eye to the return of slavery to our nation, and the dire consequencies to more than 99 % of our citizens---Stalin put it well, describing our current situation " He who votes doesn't count, but, he who counts the vote counts---by executive order obama assigned census responsibility to the acorn splinter groups disbanding for the 2008 election fraud. Their last tidbit of census reporting afroamericans outnumber white, et al americans, census responsibility includes voter protocol. The upcoming civil war, between affirmative action currently occupying our cities, counties, states, federal electorate appointed authority, will be interesting to watch, as responsibility is restored to government, and information technology takes its place in society
Jackiecox, don't hold back, please tell us how you really feel ;^P
Yes the Tesla power struggle was messy and the same thing happened at Aptera killing that 300mpg car that actually did 300+ mpg. My FreedomEV is really a more normal version of it.
Next Hitler didn't fuel all his army on coal, it's just such a poor source was all he had left near the end and most of the plants got bombed too. And it was mostly used for lube oil, greases, waxes, not fuel which in the end was methanol from wood mixed with whatever they could find. No a shining example.
The 'coal' was really more old peat moss than coal and filled with minerals that made the process too expensive as they killed the catalyst which then as now it expensive.
In the US is loaded with energy in so many forms. Just converting 50% of wasted energy would over double our supply!!! And so much coal, shales and sands along with tight oil/gas, massive biomass, enough solar, wind to power the world, huge tidal/river without dam resources, geothermal, etc.
The question is how much does each cost? Is it ok to kill 30,000/hospitalize 150k/yr from burning coal? Who pays to clean up the mining mess and pollution seeps that will last 100's of not 1000 yrs? What value is it that one can only eat fish/2x's/wk because or coal mercury emissions? What about buildings, bridges, etc corroding from coal?
As a fiscal conservative I believe in full cost accounting and people paying for damages done instead of me paying in my income taxes, health care costs, etc.
Now look at how RE should be done and will shortly, cost are now on well shopped RE are at retail coal price and will not rise, in fact pay off in 3-5 yrs and almost free for 20-50 yrs after that. Please tell me how FF's are going to compete with that?
For industrial control applications, or even a simple assembly line, that machine can go almost 24/7 without a break. But what happens when the task is a little more complex? That’s where the “smart” machine would come in. The smart machine is one that has some simple (or complex in some cases) processing capability to be able to adapt to changing conditions. Such machines are suited for a host of applications, including automotive, aerospace, defense, medical, computers and electronics, telecommunications, consumer goods, and so on. This discussion will examine what’s possible with smart machines, and what tradeoffs need to be made to implement such a solution.