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Tesla Model S Hitting the Road This Summer
1/18/2012

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Tesla's Model S will offer three different battery sizes ranging from 40kWh to 85kWh.   (Source: Tesla Motors.)
Tesla's Model S will offer three different battery sizes ranging from 40kWh to 85kWh.
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jackiecox
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Re: Cheap EV'sRe: Big oil conspiracy?
jackiecox   2/29/2012 11:48:08 PM
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You must actually believe petroleum gasoline is all there is, now thats delusional perhaos self induced, because education comes from interest, the data is our there, if you take time to search for it, but to do that requires actual interest, and a real understanding of the scientific method,

jackiecox
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Re: Cheap EV'sRe: Big oil conspiracy?
jackiecox   2/29/2012 11:44:47 PM
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Hitler powered his entire war using coal, distilled into gasoline. the only reason we are not burning coal-gasoline, is their is no ethical, or logical we are not. The calculated cost, 1.14 a gallon not counting delivery and retail.

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Re: Cheap EV'sRe: Big oil conspiracy?
jackiecox   2/29/2012 11:40:49 PM
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the laptop battery powered teaslas heat up and creep along, elon, lost a lot of money (sneaked away with) while pretending to enter the auto market elon got the idea to perform his hostile takeover from the company and design Eberhardt, had accomplished, from the 2 tiny canadian electric car companes existing there, elon saw an opportunity to invest in tesla because eberhardt was strapped for cash, the company in development, allowed elon to get involved in the shareholders meeting and pulled off the preabjudicated hostile takeover, which requires a lot of legal fees to fight, fees eberhardt did not have. Other bankruptcy experts in canada have perfested the scheme of stealing companies performing the stunt on money hungry company founders like eberhardt. How elon became friends with barry soretoe is anyones guess, but barry comes from chicago, a mafia city, similar to pther canadian cities they have penetrated, They are similar, and are just thieves. Barry has invested in solar city, gotten elon contracts to install solar panels on military bases, spacex with the published idea that privatization of NASA is best, ending shuttle 2, Constellation along with the loss of the 8500 real science team jobs at NASA, while elon toys around with aerospace projects like attainig a height of 185 miles with a splashdown return, like the 60's aerospace--- actually since obama appointed an atrronaunt to run NASA, Bolten, or whatever his name is replacing the real science teams that designed the worlds only space craft capable of exiting earths magnetosphere, operating independently of earth, able to service chandra and hubble, which will soon be lost without shuttle to service them. Satallite launches, a market we launched 87 % of the actual satallite launches world wide, before obama and bolten has dropped to near 25 % and descending, in spite of satallite roles in modern warfare. the electric car, powered by coal fired power plants, plays a smutty green power card. Other more practical alternatives to gasoline or combustion powered cars are hydrogen from water, which one japanese company is entering the market, as i recall honda is also exploring the water powered cars using the hydrogen and oxygen as an element of the power source. I look forward to seeing an end to barry and elon, elon especially because if you yook the time to read about his actionsclaiming an internet philanthropist, claiming to have founded tesla, and pay-pal, a company he aquired a 16 % portfolio of their shares, and for a short time was on their board before being fired, his claim as as a scientist uncovers he dropped out of grad school after 2 days I worked with several industrial management consulting firms before starting up several companies,m operating profitably, in canada, unfortunately I sit up the headquarters in montreal before the parti quebecois came to power, resulting in being one of the 600,000 procanadian, or american people they ethically cleansed from quebec. While I spent near 22 years in canada, I witnessed first hand the criminal reality of americas business world, Elon got his cars made offshore, while setting up showrooms the world over, muling it around with his own plane, operating on the deposites, 50 % of tesla buyers, investors, fooled by the immense P R Stunts that fill the internet, getting IPO's past the unethical stock exchange only adds to the probability of his funding via world class mafia moles that have come to inhabit our government, pulling off stunts like free trade (slavery), which ignores the fact accrued taxation 66 % of retail products made in america is lost to the countries  politbureau, or rulers, while their super stores shutter america manufacturing infrastructure, and small family goods and services, mostly. the myth of clean energy electric cars also reports nothing about the cost of old batteries, or the chinese lithium control of their market place. elon and barry are just a couple of puppets involved in taking down america, playing the very real game of misdirection, kinda like talk football. spacex is like a comic book, solar city should have went the path of solandra, and will as soon as obama is gone, Tesla, has showrooms, but the factory front, is lacking in an actual manufacturing company, with most deliveries always being put off until some later date. Actual design engineering manufacturing, marketing companies, which before free trade america produced 55 %  of the worlds durable goods, when  our infrastructure provided more jobs than people, was lost to the criminality who looked the other way as slavery returned to america, in duty free goods made by virtual slaves, chinese workers make 1 dollar to every 38 dollars american workers make, the myth of globalization, much repeated to justify the fact> Lawyers, judges, politicians, the lawmakers enact laws by virtue of lobbie cash the corrupt senators and congressmen are paid with chump change from the slavers, one family alone, the waltons, take more cash from our economy than 30 % of americas poverty stricken actual job market, where 80 % are paid near or below minimum wage, while 56 % of our youth between 18 and 29 are without work. elon and obama are short lived,in their present activities, as the time is drawing close, when america will no longer tolerate biggotry in city, county, state and federal electorate appointees, with their czars and mini czars, america will remove criminality from government one way or another, america will restore import taxation resurrecting our manufacturing infrastructure, and the small family businesses it supports---obama and elon are not a factor of reality, in upcoming times, but thats the game bankruptcy experts and criminals who have attained power forsee, they are in it for the short term. Elon Musk has continued to (take) lose money since  his pretense of entrance into the design, engineering, manufacturing, marketing of real products, and will soon be gone, thats the good news. The bad news is he is still with us, always in the news, much like obama, a treasonous unsurper, looting our treasury, ignoring our constitution, acting like some communist dictator---Stalin once said " he who votes doesn't count, but, he who counts the vote counts ", as obama by executive order has assigned the splinter groups census responsibility, which also includes voter protocol. the latest census report states afroamericans outnumber whites, etc in the United States of America, which may well comply with the reported vote numbers coming from the oval orfice   

Jerry dycus
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Re: Cheap EV'sRe: Big oil conspiracy?
Jerry dycus   2/29/2012 5:00:47 PM
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Jackie you seem to be an expert on delusional ;^P

How about so facts to back up your delusion?  I did for mine.  You only bring biased opinion it seems.

So keep spending all that money for gas and remember me spending just a couple $ to fill my EV.

I'll take my EV and RE to the bank and you have fun with fossil fuels taking you to the poor house.  I've done EV's for 20 yrs and RE for 40.  They didn't happen before because of massive oil subsidies but now RE, EV costs are dropping and FF rising with a bullet, their time is now.

   And you call me delusional? Maybe one should get one's head out of the sand and look at the real world. 

jackiecox
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Re: Cheap EV'sRe: Big oil conspiracy?
jackiecox   2/29/2012 12:50:02 PM
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the electricity comes from coal fired power plants, you claim to clean electric energy is delusional

Jerry dycus
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Re: Cheap EV'sRe: Big oil conspiracy?
Jerry dycus   2/1/2012 10:08:35 PM
 Your facts are wrong and obviously you are politically motivated instead.  Please learn some critical thinking skills and actual instead of made up facts, instead of listening to Rush. 

I drive my EV's every day at 25% of the cost of a similar ICE.  And I use RE power.  By the time any number of EV's are out there in 10 yrs, coal will be a small fraction of our electric grid.  Just $1.3k/kw, sunelec.com,  of PV panels can charge an EV for 30 yrs!!   That is what I call real conservatism. 

And your path keeps us in oil wars/terrorism and 5 of the last 6 recession were from oil shocks.  Which is more patriotic, EV's or oil?  Or do you like killing and running our country into the ground  for oil?  If the real cost accounting was used, both coal and oil would double or more in cost.  

 

jackiecox
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Re: Cheap EV'sRe: Big oil conspiracy?
jackiecox   2/1/2012 11:16:56 AM
teslas which creep along when the lithium batteries expand and heatup, remind me of the russian lada, or a government paid for car, a little different, by a government without scientific expertice to avoid bankruptcy experts, and continue to operate under the pretense they can make things happen with words, like solar power and commercial long range electric cars, both which are illusions by tricksters---perhaps if we can avoid another electionfraud. like 2008, all this BS will begone---coalfired electric energy cars, is not presently green energy, and even if it were, electric cars and planes are a ruse to get the unwary investors money

 

Jerry dycus
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Jerry dycus   1/24/2012 9:25:21 PM
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  Charles my and others EV experience tells a different story.   As I will show very well soon, lead batteries and their high weight still because of EV's eff if you don't handicap it with excess weight, can easily do 95% of US trips.   With a small 5kw/1000lbs generator gives unlimited range solves any problem of range that might be.

There are no technical reasons cost effective lead battery EV's can't be made for less than ICE's even if they wanted to.

I've proved this to myself and building ones to show others and make a really nice profit!!

 

Jerry dycus
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Re: Big oil conspiracy?
Jerry dycus   1/24/2012 9:16:29 PM
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Ratsey, Detroit wrote that book, just like they wrote the  '54.5mpg' standard,  to keep competition out just so you know.

While this exact body/chassis won't, future ones and my FreedomEV RT certainly are as crash resistant as steel cars.

I'm doing a series of them, prototype now and finished composite monocoques that are little different from the most expensive Ferrari, McLaren sportscars except far lighter with 2 and 3 wheels.

Since they are legally MC's I can have the safety systems I chose which are the same as a F-1 which drivers walk away at 220mph crashes into walls like the one a couple yrs ago. If one is a good designer, safety doesn't have to weigh too much.  By combining my body, frame, battery box, battery,  and other parts to strengthen each other added to composites natural advantages in weight to make not just as safe, but safer.  

Packaging a battery pack including BMS only cost $100/kwhr on custom units. 50% of that in mass production.  I garrenty Tesla isn't paying more than $250kwhr for packs and others not more than $350kwhr.

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Charles Murray   1/24/2012 8:29:45 PM
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Jerry, I respect the work you do in EV conversions, but I respectfully disagree regarding the "wide conspiracy of corps." Going back to the late '90s, industry analysts (Pike, J.D. Power, etc), university professors at MIT, University Michigan, University of California, Cal Tech and the Department of Energy and Argonne Labs and the Center for Automotive Reserach have cited a need for greater energy density and lower cost in EV batteries. None have lamented over the Chevron/NiMH situation. All -- analysts, universities, national labs -- can't possibly be involved in the "wide conspiracy of corps." 

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