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See How Electric Vehicle Sales Stalled in 2015

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J. Williams
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Re: EV sales
J. Williams   2/1/2016 11:10:59 AM
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No, not really.  It's just that electric vehicles are only able to supply a market niche to satisfy those who lifestyle is compatible with an EV.  The reason sales are stalled is simply the market has been saturated.  I certainly could not justify the purchase of an EV.  I cannot afford to buy two cars where one will do the job quite nicely.

shehan
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shehan   1/31/2016 1:41:48 PM
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@DNReader- I think it's because of the oil price reduction. I wish these cars could have done some extra mileage. 

shehan
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shehan   1/31/2016 1:39:31 PM
@Jerry – Tesla is an awesome car, people don't feel like they are driving an EV they feel they are in a sports car. That's the perception created from the beginning. 

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shehan   1/31/2016 1:26:43 PM
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Car sales always go hand in hand with the fuel cost and it works the same for Electric Vehicles. When fuel prices rise EV sales rise and Vice-versa. 

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shehan   1/31/2016 1:22:28 PM
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I don't see how these cells could help us unless there is a way to recharge these. 

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You can't blame electric vehicles for mining atrocities in Africa.
Trenth   1/31/2016 12:49:31 PM
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Everything electric cars use is used in much greater quantities in other industries.
The Tesla S uses no rare earths in the motor or the batteries.  

If we want to solve the problem of human rights violations in the suppliers of our 
materials we need a "Fair Trade" agreement that applies tariffs based on the
human rights treatment of the workers. I'm all for that. That's not the TPP.

I would add that our human rights violation for oil and gas are far greater.  


search tesla no rare earth motor
 


Jerry dycus
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Jerry dycus   1/30/2016 8:37:04 PM
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Yes easily the Leaf will be cheaper to run especially with your electric rates.  For the same energy a Leaf will go about 130 miles and costs about $2.50/gal equivalent. Many utilities give special off peak rates to charge EV's overnight cutting that in half.

And maintaining is only replacing wiper blades, washing fluid and rotate the tires.

On my EV's I tow a trailer to carry plywood, etc..  Hopefully we'll get a better range of EV's though a used RAV4EV might be good for you if you can find one.

And a Tesla rumor is they will show a Pickup or CUV when they introduce the 3 in March on the same chassis.

As EV's are ramping up much faster than hybrids even if dealers don't want them proves they are popular. And few who drive them for a while, go back to gas cars.

And look at Tesla that has never had to advertise even at that cost they sell more than they can make. That is what happens if they like EV's.

 

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FinnickyFinn   1/30/2016 4:47:28 PM
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One could agree if it wasn't for the rare earth metals needed for batteries that are mined by child laborers under dangerous and unhealthy conditions and typically traded by African warlords to smelters in China. And who knows how much blood and dirt is in the electric power we consume or in the solar panels or the parts for wind turbines.

I fully agree that especially now with oil prices that low the taxes need to be increased. We managed with 4.50$ a gallon before. But that extra money needs to be tied exclusively to sustainable infrastructure projects, such as improving the power distribution grid, regional and long distance rail links, etc

Trenth
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Trenth   1/30/2016 3:38:30 PM
According the IMF the world's gov give fossils breaks worth 5.3T$. That doesn't even include the wars to secure the world's access to oil and gas.

Now we have an economic war using fossils going on, with the Saudis trying to drive out the competition with lower prices and Russia trying to capture markets.

Many people are getting lifetimes MPG on their electric vehicles well over 100 MPG. Battery prices have dropped several times. I haven't seen the analysis, but I bet electric cars are still cheaper.

This is why we need to tax fossils, not carbon, but fossils for their excess carbon. Otherwise if the market goes renewable, the fossil producers will drop their prices and cut corners on production, both of which are bad for our health. Of course we could just stop propping up fossils. I imagine cutting 5.3T$ in gov breaks would be enough.

Unfortunately the monopoly power of fossils is immense and they are flexing it.

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FinnickyFinn   1/30/2016 3:02:18 PM
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Right now I pay around 20$ for a fill, the 30$ I quoted are from the time when prices were higher. As far as dealers not wanting to sell EVs, I think it is more than manufacturers do not want to sell EVs. The sole reason why they add EVs to their lineup is not popular demand, but an effective means to skew the EPA fleet mileage arithmetic. Cheap to build gas guzzling SUVs make way more profit than an EV, so for every boat they want to sell they have to counter that with an EV. The change needed here is to make the EPA consumption limits per model and not across all offered models.

When I think hatchback I think wagon of the kind where I can stuff a sheet of plywood in the back and close the door. I have a house and a large garden, so I need some reasonable amount of cargo room. Unfortunately, many newer models have pathetic trunks unless I look at SUVs or minivans...which are too expensive and consume too much.

Nice to know that electricity rates are low, usually everything from taxes to housing is higher here...except for salaries. So, would a Leaf be less expensive to operate per year given my driving compared to a gas powered car @ 29 mpg (that is what I would be looking at)?

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