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ervin0072002
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I Agree There Is A Pattern
ervin0072002   7/2/2012 10:21:50 AM
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I am a Test Engineer. I have the unfortunate responsibility to task aviation parts to break in my bench vs. in the airframe. While I make many engineers unhappy I can see a pattern that the ones following our engineering procedures to the letter rarely make a mistake (which is 99% of our engineers). Redesign is a very low percent and it occurs prior to product release. Also another pattern I see is in the cost reduction budget. While many might think that cost reduction might produce unreliable product I disagree with that mentality. I see that the larger cost reduction budget generally introduces better practices and also fixes previous problems that might not have been spotted. It directly relates to more reliable products as well as better engineering practices. It forces you to revisit old designs and improve them as well as produce them at a lower cost. It's a win-win.

 

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Re: I Agree There Is A Pattern
tekochip   7/2/2012 11:02:09 AM
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It can go both ways. I've seen cost reductions that improved the design by cleaning out attributes that were in the original design but no longer specified or used, and I've seen where something got changed that should not have because the new engineers were unaware of why something was done a particular way. Whenever possible I dig for the old notebooks to find why a design decision was made, just to make certain I'm not creating a problem that somebody already solved.

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Re: I Agree There Is A Pattern
ervin0072002   7/2/2012 3:32:33 PM
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When we redesign we review device requirements everytime and retest design. Its expensive however we do it right every time.

JimT@Future-Product-Innovations
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Checklists naturally grow, with age
JimT@Future-Product-Innovations   7/2/2012 1:05:54 PM
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I would offer that a naturally inherent "checklist" is a basic thought process of any reasonable skilled designer.  And for anyone who has had the responsibility of being a product architect over numerous lengthy projects, that checklist gets honed and refined, after every project.  It improves with age and experience.  Thinking back several decades to one of my earliest efforts, I can honestly say, (now) that I ran into situations I would never had even imagined could have happened – which today are a routine part of the design effort.  Yes, a Checklist.  I use one.  And even if an engineer doesn't have one printed out, they certainly have one framed mentally.  But I strongly contend that a literal, written, bulleted list of cautions is needed.  I wouldn't really be successful without one.

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Re: Checklists naturally grow, with age
jbrac   7/3/2012 9:47:38 AM
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I suspect that every engineer worthy of the name has a huge mental database of design checklists for the variety of components, systems, products, and processes he has encountered in his career. DFMEAs and PFMEAs are the checklists we use to check our checklists to make sure we haven't missed something that should have been foreseen. If done properly, they are valuable tools. However, we are always aware that "We don't know what we don't know.", and expect some unexpected surprises will occur before we are done. That is how the checklists grow.

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Re: Checklists naturally grow, with age
gsmith120   7/9/2012 5:01:28 AM
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JimT I agree with you.  As a designer I certainly have a mental checklist but I believe the key word is "written".  One of my college professors would always make us write stuff down because he said "if you write it down then that says you have thought about it".  I agree most of the time if you write something down you have thought about it. 

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Re: Checklists naturally grow, with age
warren@fourward.com   7/9/2012 6:24:44 PM
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The problem with medicine is that every doctor is a cowboy.  They have license to do pretty much what they can convince the other doctors is standard "operating" procedure.

I think there is great merit in standardizing as much as you can with what has been successful.  We all do it in manufacturing, service, and design.  Why not the medical community? 

And, how about doctors routinely giving drugs to minors that have not been approved for minors, such as mind altering psychotropics?  There should be a checklist for that, too!

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Check-List Limits
ab3a   7/3/2012 9:53:51 AM
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In addition to practicing engineering, I have also been a licensed pilot for more than 20 years. There are three elements safety: Checklists, logical work-flows, and cross checks. 

 

Yes, have a checklist, BUT KEEP IT SHORT AND TO THE POINT! If it gets too long or too pedantic, people will ignore them, particularly under stress. When I first learned to fly, I used the official Pilot's Operating Handbook checklist for the aircraft. This is a legal document, often created with the assistance of hordes of nosy lawyers who probably didn't know a damned thing about aviation. There were some things that were checked two and three times and other things that could have been deadly to ignore, but weren't even on the list.

 

As I grew more comfortable with my aircraft, I developed my own checklist.  The pre-flight checklist is a biggie. To make it more intuitive and less cumbersome, I set it up to follow the path I would typically walk around the airplane. I didn't leave anything off, but I did add a few nusiance-if-they-break items at the appropriate places.

 

Next, my pre-taxi and pre-takeoff lists were relatively shorter, but still very performance based. These are verbal lists I hand the printed lists to my passenger/co-pilot to call out and I would respond in kind. Yes, I would memorize those lists.  As soon as I was in the air, the lists would be stowed with the red-striped emergency pages on top.  I had my navigation work all laid out with multiple resources to confirm where I was. Some of my waypoints might have been visual, some might use a beacon from an airport I was passing over, some might use GPS, and others an intersection of two VOR radials. The key is that I have a diversity of methods, so that I not get fixated on any one instrument.  I also keep a list of alternate airports at each stage of flight, just in case something goes wrong.

 


And finally, when it came time to land, I once again memorized the infamous GUMPF check-list: Gas, Undercarriage, Mixture, Prop, Flaps.  It is simple, stupid, and it works. I use it several times during various phases of landing. 

 


Airline pilots have developed what they call work-flows through the cockpit  Each task has a routine feel to it, each work-flow item follows the panel of the aircraft in some direction. Both pilot and co-pilot do this and confirm each other's work. 

 

What you see here is the use of SIMPLE checklists, logical work-flows, and lots of planning for likely contingencies.

 

All this training and practice came together several years ago.  I was flying as a safety pilot with a friend practicing instrument approaches. We discovered an engine problem at 4000 feet over a VOR west of Philadelphia at night.  Training took over. We landed safely with little fanfare. Later investigation showed a cracked cylinder on the engine.  Checklists do work, even under stress, but they have to be terse, simple, and to the point.

 

Jake Brodsky

 

dindyk
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Re: Check-List Limits
dindyk   7/4/2012 12:40:52 AM
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GUMPF??? what happened to 'B'. Brakes OFF?

in the UK it was always BUMPF(F):

Brakes OFF, Undercart DOWN, Mixture RICH, (Prop) Pitch FINE, Fuel SUFFICIENT FOR OVERSHOOT and ROUND AGAIN, Flaps SET for LANDING

 

Daniel I {PPL at age 17 and Chartered Professional Engineer (Elec)}

ab3a
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Re:Check-ListLimits
ab3a   7/4/2012 12:12:11 PM
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Ican'timaginethataircraftflyanydifferentlyintheUKthantheydointheUS.(Grin)

Butthatsaid,thoughwe'resupposedtospeakthesamelanguage,IcansayfrompersonalexperiencesittinginaroomfullofKiwis,Brits,Aussies,Canucks,andevenpeoplefrommanydifferentstates--wedon'tspeakthesamelingo. 




Usewhatworks. 


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dindyk   7/4/2012 5:57:25 PM
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Yeah,overintheukwealsodonotusespacesbetweenwordssowedohavethatincommon.butstillithinkbrakesoffisanimportantthingtohaveonalandingchecklist.

ab3a
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Re:Check-ListLimits
ab3a   7/5/2012 6:29:57 AM
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I'm not sure what happened with that comment.  It looked good when I sent it. 

ab3a
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Re: Check-List Limits
ab3a   7/5/2012 6:43:34 AM
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Aircraft fly the same no matter what part of the world you live in. 

That said, the English language isn't even the same in various regions of the UK and US, never mind Australia, New Zealand, Canada, other parts of the world...


Use whatever mnemonics work for you. They appear to be essentially the same, though it appears you have fixated on one phase of flight with your mnemonic. 


I cycle through the GUMPF list several times.  One does different stuff at different phases of landing.  This is a quick and dirty method to ensure I haven't left anything obvious or deadly on the list. 

dindyk
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Re: Check-List Limits
dindyk   7/5/2012 7:14:44 PM
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fixated has negative connotations. BUMPFF was RAF standard finals check mnemonic before landing on propellor driven aircraft. i think 'brakes off' is an important check. not fixated at all...just pointing out something missing in your checklist. however if you feel you do not need to check that the brakes are off prior to landing...well, i guess thats up to you.

Greg M. Jung
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Design Checklists
Greg M. Jung   7/3/2012 4:02:31 PM
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To quickly and accurately create the best designs, I've found it best to use design checklists (written design guidelines) as I am designing.  These guidelines are baseed upon previously learned best practices (and also on making sure a previous error is not repeated again).  Some of these guidelines are more well-known like DFM (Design for Manufacturing), and some are more specific to the particular industry the product is being designed for.  All in all, written checklists/guidelines not only help our team get to market faster with a better product, they also teach and mentor less-experienced engineers and designs on how to quickly get up the design learning curve.  

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More lives at stake means better checklists
Charles Murray   7/3/2012 5:17:14 PM
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It's amazing how much better a process gets when more lives are at stake. Multi-story buildings must be safe -- there are hundreds or thousands of lives inside -- and somehow the process improves. Same for big aircraft. When I worked in the nuclear power industry 30 years ago, all our engineering calculations were checked and signed by three engineers, and then by the utility, and then, presumably, by more people (who I was unfamiliar with) along the way. Somehow, processes get short-cutted when the consequences are less obvious. Surgery should be one of those areas where the consequences are obvious, but I suspect that mistakes are frequently made in the operating room that never come to light, and have no consequences at all.

William K.
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Checklists in engineering
William K.   7/3/2012 7:28:16 PM
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I have found it quite useful and valuable to use checklists both in quoting projects, so that we can be sure that we are pricing all of the steps between concept and completion, and also in the final installation of projects at a customers site, located someplace where forgotten items are unavailable.

In addition, the checlist, particularly the installation list, serves as a notification of what subset of skills will need to be on hand for the various stages of installation. That is not only a handy way to keep things moving, it is also a good way to limit the time that we need to have expensive specialists on site, such as pipline welders.

So checklists are quite a good value, although they require care to assure that nothing gets left off.

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Petroski on Engineering: Checklists and Design
FauEng   7/4/2012 8:58:23 AM
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It is amazing how much and in how subtle ways cross-disciplinary approach can enhance quality, efficiency, safety... in any given faculty or field of human creation. Learning from each other, and not necessarily within the same science, is the way we progress as humankind. Although I am not saying much new here, in my view, these are important things to underline, and am thankful to a philosopher-engineer-designer who captured this importance in his article. For my part, I am in particular sensitive to one huge "check-list item" in design process: safety of those who are using, operating, or simply get exposed to a final result of design process.

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Re: Petroski on Engineering: Checklists and Design
Jack Rupert, PE   7/4/2012 2:33:13 PM
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I remember once when I was doing a product commissioning in another country, the customer had a consultant who lived and died by his ever-present check lists.  While that made him extremely thorough in his own area of expertise, it caused a certain amount of gamesmanship among some of the others.  He obviously couldn't know the details of every component to be checked, so he had to rely on others to furnish the information necessary to create the checklists.  I found some people to be very creative in the information they gave him so as to receive very generic responsibilities on the checklist.

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Re: Petroski on Engineering: Checklists and Design
ab3a   7/6/2012 7:51:50 AM
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Good Point! 


It needs to be said that the act of creation can not be made in to a checklist.  However, there can be a checklist of issues to consider. 

 

Jake Brodsky

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MEDICAL CHECKLIST
bobjengr   7/14/2012 12:04:33 PM
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Dr.  Petroski—excellent article!  I suppose I'm really uninformed.  I thought that surely all surgeons had some form of WRITTEN checklist prior to performing an operation.  As an engineering program manager, I would never start a program without a schedule indicating critical path AND a checklist noting those items necessary to accomplish completion.  It becomes even more important when differing design and drafting locations are involved.  I know you don't have the location issue with surgery but one very tired surgeon operating day after day will make mistakes.  It's not if but when.    My own doctor has indicated to me several times he needs an IE to examine the organizational aspects of his office.  The "doctoring" is quite adequate but front office staff run the place like a zoo. 

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